re:9/11 - WTC 7

[:FI:Sneaky_Russian]

I still find this report disturbing :-

Other Evidences

These are not the only evidences for demolition, but are submitted as additional evidences in an already lengthy list of evidences that point to demolition from pre-positioned explosives, which point to this having been an inside job being covered up by the present administration.

Additional evidences are presented amply elsewhere. In brief, a summary is as follows:

The engineers who designed the building designed it to withstand impact by planes and fire.

Building 7, which was not structurally damaged by aircraft, came down in a manner that matches the signature demolition model, complete with triggering squibs (outward explosions of support structures preceding the falling mass), and falling into its footprint. Slow motion video footage highlights these features.

Towers 1 and 2 also fell in a manner consistent with demolition, and had numerous visible squibs preceding the falling mass. Bear in mind that a "tidy" and "safe" fall would not necessarily be the objective of individuals pulling off such a thing.

Rate of speed of the fall is near that of free-fall, which contradicts the pancake model in which a delay must be expected due to conservation of momentum – one of the foundational Laws of Physics.

The fine powder into which the building was converted during the collapse is consistent with the demolition model and its associated explosives. There would have been some pulverization in the pancake model, but not to the extent seen in this case.

Molten iron in the wreckage, weeks after the collapse, is consistent with military-grade demolition charges, which chemicals continue to react with the metal long after the initial implosion event.

Numerous eyewitnesses described hearing explosions not associated with the planes hitting the buildings.
The wreckage from the towers was quickly shipped off for scrap, contrary to laws governing removal of items from a crime scene.

WTC buildings 1,2 and 7 had undergone unannounced security evacuations in the days prior to Sept. 11. A concurrent power outage disabled security cameras. Explosives-sniffing dogs were called off as part of that evacuation procedure. Martin Bush, brother to the President, was involved with the security company involved in this process.

It would take 10 men ten trips to place the necessary explosives to bring the towers down by demolition.

The 911 Commission report says that there were no central support columns, which is a lie. The WTC had the most robust central support columns in the world at the time it was built, and was designed to be centrally supported.

[AltarBoy]

You actually believe this?

In the Discovery Channel a Structual Engineer said the buildings follow a pattern when tons of material in the form of a building filled with air collapses. This is just Conspiracy Theory.

[Nightcat]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 5910247150" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[:FI:Sneaky_Russian]

Agreed it is conspiracy theory. I'm just saying the collapse of building 7 remains a mystery.
For that reason I retain an open verdict; though we are unlikely to know because of the fog of conspiracy on all sides.

[:FI:Dr_Strangelove]

Just like we will never really know the truth behind so many other things in history, we may also not ever really know what else happened on 9/11 if anything.

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(video" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

This video is pretty interesting in that it claims a missile hit the Pentagon and not a plane.

[:FI:Snaphoo]

I generally don't believe in conspiracy theories. They give the government too much credit.

[AltarBoy]

Ok, I'm trying to keep an open mind on this. Maybe I'm just dumb (that happens when you smoke weed and drop out of kindergarten school.lol) But what advantage will a government have when they attack their own? Blame another and go to war with another country? There's many other ways to do that. This just dosen't make any sense. A missle hitting the Penatgon? Now what logical explanation is there for this? I saw the security camera footage on the Discovery Channel and it looked like a plane to me, unless if they painted the Tomahawk Cruise Missle in an airline's livery. Maybe there are things we don't know and may never know. And I don't know why folks don't direct their anger towards the real thing- The terrorist organization who did this. All these distractions are giving victory to the bad guys. What do you think would happen if the American public began dissing their government when Japan attacked? Hmmm? Now all this profound discussion is making me thirsty. I need a beer.

[:FI:Sneaky_Russian]

Funny you should mention Pearl
ftp://ftp.purdue.edu/pub/Liberal-Arts/H ... rl.harbor/

PEARL HARBOR ATTACK

HEARINGS
BEFORE THE
JOINT COMMITTEE ON THE INVESTIGATION
OF THE PEARL HARBOR ATTACK

CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES
SEVENTY-NINTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

PURSUANT TO

S. Con. Res. 27

____________________________________________________________

[19] (a) In paragraph 5 of the Second Endorsement on the Report of the
Naval Court of Inquiry, it is pointed out that Admiral Stark failed to
give Admiral Kimmel an adequate summary of information available in
Washington, particularly in respect of:

(1) The State Department reply of 26 November 1941 to the Japanese,
which was a definite step toward breaking relations.

(2) Certain information indicating Japanese interest as to the
disposition of the ships within Pearl Harbor;

(3) In failing to appreciate the significance of the information which
he received on the morning of 7 December indicating that a message was
to be given to the Secretary of State at 1 p. m. and in failing to
transmit it to Admiral Kimmel by the quickest means available;

(4) Finally, it is pointed out in this section of the Second Endorsement
that there is a certain sameness of tenor in the communications sent by
Admiral Stark to Admiral Kimmel which failed to convey the sense of
mounting intensification of critical relations between Japan and the
United States.

- But thats another story, and WTC is in a different league.

[AltarBoy]

Come to think of it the same communication problem that existed in 1941 is the same problem resulting in 9/11. Strange how history repeats itself, even the mistakes. If the CIA and FBI could've worked together maybe they may have seen this building up. This discussion is good, I'm seeing parallels here.

[Nightcat]

Why would a goverment in theory attack its own people?

Well I don't have all the facts, but scaring people is a good way to motivate them to your cause. If you wanna invade somewhere, call it a war against terrorism and the people will back you - specially if they just attacked your country.

While people are watching your right hand thrash terrorists, your left hand does magic tricks elsewhere...

[:FI:Falcon]

I think this thread is a conspiracy!

...

What are you reeeeally trying to tell us SneakyRussian?!

???

Russian?!?

Ohhhhh, I get it ...

[:FI:Fenian]

latest edition of Time Magazine - there's a story on this Loose Change video and about all of the other conspiracy theories... apparently up to 39% of Americans believe in some of these theories.... according to Time.

Kinda scary....

[AltarBoy]

Scaring people is one thing, killing them is quite another. I, for one will think it very hard for any American to commit murder on that scale just to make war. 39%! Hmmm, if that amount believe that then I'm gonna try and sell that bridge to them behind my house. I'll tell 'em Elvis once crossed it. I'll be rich in no time! Sheesh, how gullible!

Altar-"I wanna be President"- Boy.

[:FI:Snaphoo]

Well I don't have all the facts, but scaring people is a good way to motivate them to your cause.

In fact you are right, fear is an excellent motivator.

Consider this quote:

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country."


Anyone know who said that? It holds very true today. My government is using this exact tactic to try to maintain control over my government. By the way, this was a quote from Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall.

The only conspiracy that I see is one to divide this country and turn it against itself.

Something else to consider:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedc ... _meigs.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the article:

"The American public has every right to ask hard questions about 9/11. And informed skepticism about government and media can be healthy. But skepticism needs to be based on facts, not fallacies. Unfortunately, for all too many, conspiratorial fantasies offer a seductive alternative to grappling with the hard realities of a post-9/11 world."

[Menace]

apparently up to 39% of Americans believe in some of these theories

Too bad they didn't vote then. I blame Tom Clancy for giving the terrorists the idea, and for raising peoples expectaions of govenment instituions, eg: having the level of competancy that would be able to pull off such a grandoise scheme. Your average govenment employee is not Jack Ryan. There are nightmarish amounts of red tape.