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Menace · Post by **Menace** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:57 pm

Were the .50 Cal's in american aircraft in WW2 M2's or M3's? I can't find a damn thing on the intertron.

What's the difference? M3's have a cyclic rate around 1150 RPM. M2's (which I suspect are being used in PF) have one around 450RPM.

Anyway, I'd like to hear about the history of the M3 variant anyway.

If they are M3's I may post it on the ubi forums (under an ailas

)to make the Luftwhiners pass building material though thier alimentary canal.

Or begin a flamewar at myself

.

Imagine the .50's at twice the ROF

:FI:WillieOFS · Post by **:FI:WillieOFS** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:57 am

From what I can find, the F6 carried 6 M3's.

The PV-2 also had some M3's in one of the variants.

Still diggin for info.

EDIT:
found this table..
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/ ... un-ta.html

Name First
Delivery Country Weight
of Fire Muzzle
Power Armament
Boeing P-26A 34 Jan USA 0.39 140 2 * 7.62 mm Browning .30 M2
Arado Ar 68F-1 36 Feb Germany 0.37 110 2 * 7.92 mm MG 17 (500)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.I 36 Jun Britain 1.72 480 8 * 7.7 mm Browning .303
Macchi C.200 Saetta 36 Jul Italy 0.86 250 2 * 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT
Hawker Hurricane Mk.I 37 Oct Britain 1.72 480 8 * 7.7 mm Browning .303
Messerschmitt Bf 109C-1 38 Feb Germany 0.73 110 4 * 7.92 mm MG 17
Nakajima Ki.27-Otsu 38 Mar Japan (A) 0.32 90 2 * 7.7 mm Type 89 (500)
Curtiss P-36A Hawk 38 Apr USA 0.80 300 1 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2,
1 * 7.62 mm Browning .30
Fiat G.50 Freccia 38 Oct Italy 0.86 250 2 * 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT
Messerschmitt Bf 109E-3 38 Late Germany 2.37 530 2 * 20 mm MG-FF,
2 * 7.92 mm MG 17
Polikarpov I-153 39 Feb USSR 1.43 480 4 * 7.62 mm ShKAS
Fiat CR.42 Falco 39 Apr Italy 0.86 250 2 * 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT
Bloch MB.152 39 Apr France 3.26 1230 2 * 20 mm Hispano 404,
2 * 7.5 mm MAC 1934
Caudron C.714 Cyclone 39 Jun France 0.50 140 4 * 7.5 mm MAC 1934
Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat 40 Feb USA 2.43 920 4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Messerschmitt Bf 109E-4 40 May Germany 2.37 530 2 * 20 mm MG-FF,
2 * 7.92 mm MG 17
Nakajima Ki.43-I-Otsu 40 Jun Japan (A) 0.73 225 1 * 12.7 mm Ho-103 (250),
1 * 7.7 mm Type 89 (500)
Mitsubishi A6M2 Reisen 40 Jul Japan (N) 2.62 410 2 * 20 mm Type 99-1 (100),
2 * 7.7 mm Type 97
Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF 40 Jul Britain 7.35 2370 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.II,
6 * 7.7 mm Browning .303
Messerschmitt Bf 109F-1 40 Nov Germany 1.04 420 1 * 15 mm MG 151,
2 * 7.92 mm MG 17
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3 40 Dec USSR 1.55 545 1 * 12.7 mm UB,
2 * 7.62 mm ShKAS
Bell P-39D 41 Feb USA 3.02 860 1 * 37 mm M4,
2 * 7.62 mm Browning .30,
2 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Lavochkin LaGG-3 41 Feb USSR 1.99 710 1 * 20 mm ShVAK,
2 * 7.62 mm ShKAS
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VB 41 Mar Britain 2.24 1250 2 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.II,
4 * 7.7 mm Browning .303
Curtiss P-40D 41 May USA 2.43 910 4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Hawker Typhoon Mk.IB 41 May Britain 5.20 2010 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.II
Focke-Wulf Fw 190A-3 41 Mid Germany 5.20 1210 2 * 20 mm MG 151/20,
2 * 20 mm MG-FF,
2 * 7.92 mm MG17
Nakajima Ki.43-I-Hei Hayabusa 41 Jun Japan (A) 1.14 360 2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103
Macchi C.202 Folgore 41 Jul Italy 1.13 320 2 * 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT,
2 * 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT
Yakovlev Yak-1 41 Dec USSR 1.99 715 1 * 20 mm ShVAK,
2 * 7.62 mm ShKAS
Yakovlev Yak-7 41 Late USSR 2.64 1080 1 * 20 mm ShVAK,
2 * 12.7 mm UBS
Brewster F2A-3 Buffalo 41 Late USA 2.43 920 4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4 42 Early Germany 1.64 470 1 * 20 mm MG 151/20
2 * 7.92 mm MG 17
Kawasaki Ki.45-KAI-Ko 42 Jan Japan 2.07 680 2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103,
1 * 20 mm Ho-3 (100)
Nakajima Ki.44-I-Ko 42 Jan Japan (A) 2.28 720 4 * 12.7 mm Ho-103 (250)
North American Mustang Mk.I 42 Feb USA 1.99 730 2 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2,
4 * 7.62 mm Browning .30
Republic P-47B Thunderbolt 42 Mar USA 4.85 1830 8 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Vought F4U-1 Corsair 42 Jun USA 3.64 1370 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Kawasaki Ki.61-I-Otsu 42 Mid Japan 2.28 720 4 * 12.7 mm Ho-103
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-5 42 Mid Germany 2.32 640 1 * 20 mm MG 151/20,
2 * 13 mm MG 131
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.IX 42 Jul Britain 2.24 1250 2 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.II,
4 * 7.7 mm Browning .303
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6 42 Aug Germany 2.46 640 1 * 20 mm MG 151/20,
2 * 13 mm MG 131
Mitsubishi A6M3 Reisen 42 Aug Japan (N) 2.48 520 2 * 20 mm Type 99-2 (125),
2 * 7.7 mm Type 97
Lavochkin La-5 42 Sep USSR 2.56 950 2 * 20 mm ShVAK
Macchi C.205V Veltro 42 Sep Italy 3.69 970 2 * 20 mm MG 151/20,
2 * 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT
Lockheed P-38F Lightning 42 Sep USA 3.73 1420 1 * 20 mm Hispano,
4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat 42 Oct USA 3.64 1370 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Nakajima Ki.43-II-Ko 42 Nov Japan (A) 1.14 360 2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103 (250)
Yakovlev Yak-9 42 Nov USSR 1.92 780 1 * 20 mm ShVAK,
1 * 12.7 mm UBS
Messerschmitt Me 410A-1/U2 42 Dec Germany 3.29 950 2 * 20 mm MG 151/20 (350),
4 * 7.92 mm MG 17 (1000)
Nakajima Ki.44-II-Otsu 42 Late Japan (A) 2.28 720 4 * 12.7 mm Ho-103 (250)
North American P-51B Mustang 43 Early USA 3.64 1370 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Fiat G.55/I Centauro 43 Feb Italy 5.12 1330 3 * 20 mm MG 151/20,
2 * 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT
Reggiane Re.2005 Saggitario 43 Feb Italy 5.12 1330 3 * 20 mm MG 151/20,
2 * 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT
Kawanishi N1K1-J Shiden 43 Jul Japan (N) 2.11 820 4 * 20 mm Type 99-2
Kawasaki Ki.61-I-Otsu 43 Sep Japan (A) 3.69 1080 2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103,
2 * 20 mm MG 151/20
Bell P-63A-1 Kingcobra 43 Oct USA 2.63 1180 1 * 37 mm M4,
4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Yakovlev Yak-3 43 Oct USSR 2.64 1080 1 * 20 mm ShVAK,
2 * 12.7 mm UBS
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.XIV 44 Jan Britain 2.24 1250 2 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.II,
4 * 7.7 mm Browning .303
Kawakaki Ki.61-I-KAI-Hei 44 Jan Japan 3.95 1310 2 * 20 mm Ho-5 (120),
2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103 (200)
Lavochkin La-7 44 Feb USSR 3.84 1420 3 * 20 mm B-20
Hawker Tempest Mk.V 44 Apr Britain 6.50 2300 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.V (200)
Nakajima Ki.84-I-Ko Hayate 44 Apr Japan (A) 3.95 1310 2 * 20 mm Ho-5 (150),
2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103 (350)
Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden-KAI 44 Jul Japan (N) 2.11 820 4 * 20 mm Type 99-2
Lockheed P-38L Lightning 44 Jul USA 3.73 1420 1 * 20 mm Hispano,
4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Messerschmitt Me 262 44 Jul Germany 12.48 1590 2 * 30 mm MK 108 (100),
2 * 30 mm MK 108 (80)
Focke-Wulf Fw 190D-9 44 Aug Germany 3.87 1000 2 * 13 mm MG 131,
2 * 20 mm MG 151/20
Gloster Meteor Mk.III 44 Sep Britain 5.20 2010 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.III
Messerschmitt Bf 109K-4 44 Oct Germany 4.16 670 1 * 30 mm MK 108,
2 * 13 mm MG 131
Mitsubishi A6M5-Hei Reisen 44 Nov Japan (N) 3.49 1060 2 * 20 mm Type 99-2,
3 * 13.2 mm Type 3
Republic P-47M Thunderbolt 44 Dec USA 4.85 1830 8 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Kawakaki Ki.61-I-KAI-Tei 44 Late Japan (A) 7.51 1510 2 * 30 mm Ho-155,
2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103
Messerschmitt Bf 109K-6 44 Oct Germany 10.40 1470 3 * 30 mm MK 108,
2 * 13 mm MG 131
Lockheed P-80A Shooting Star 45 Feb USA 3.88 1370 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.21 45 Apr Britain 5.20 2010 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.II
Ryan FR-1 Fireball 45 May USA 2.75 920 4 * 12.7 mm Browning M2
Kawasaki Ki.100-I-Otsu 45 Jun Japan (A) 3.95 1310 2 * 12.7 mm Ho-103 (250),
2 * 20 mm Ho-5 (250)
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-13 45 Nov USSR 3.84 1420 3 * 20 mm B-20
Vought F4U-5 Corsair 46 Apr USA 7.37 2600 4 * 20 mm Hispano M3
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-9 46 Oct USSR 8.69 2070 1 * 37 mm N-37,
2 * 23 mm NS-23
McDonnell FH-1 Phantom 46 Oct USA 2.59 920 4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M2
Lavochkin La-7 47 Feb USSR 7.32 1740 4 * 23 mm NS-23
Yakovlev Yak-15 47 May USSR 3.66 870 2 * 23 mm NS-23
Republic F-84B Thunderjet 47 Aug USA 5.82 1940 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
Yakovlev Yak-17 47 Late USSR 3.66 870 2 * 23 mm NS-23
North American FJ-1 Fury 48 Mar USA 5.82 2200 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
North American F-86A Sabre 48 May USA 5.82 2200 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
McDonnell F2H-1 Banshee 48 Aug USA 7.37 2600 4 * 20 mm Hispano M3
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 48 Dec USSR 8.69 2070 1 * 37 mm N-37,
2 * 23 mm NS-23
Yakovlev Yak-23 49 Early USSR 3.66 870 2 * 23 mm NS-23
Vought F6U-1 Pirate 49 Mar USA 7.37 2600 4 * 20 mm Hispano M3
Grumman F9F-2 Panther 49 May USA 7.37 2600 4 * 20 mm Hispano M3
Lavochkin La-15 49 Late USSR 3.66 870 2 * 23 mm NS-23
Lockheed F-94A 50 May USA 3.88 1470 4 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
Northrop F-89A Scorpion 50 Sep USA 11.05 3900 6 * 20 mm M24
A.W. Meteor NF Mk.11 50 Nov Britain 6.50 2300 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.V (160)
de Havilland Venom 51 Jun Britain 6.50 2300 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.V
Supermarine Attacker 51 Aug Britain 6.50 2300 4 * 20 mm Hispano Mk.V
Grumman F9F-6 Cougar 51 Dec USA 7.37 2600 4 * 20 mm Hispano M3
North American F-86F Sabre 52 Mar USA 5.82 2200 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
Supermarine Swift F Mk.1 52 Aug Britain 9.53 2970 2 * 30 mm Aden
Avro Canada CF-100 Mk.3 52 Sep Canada 7.76 2200 8 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17 52 Oct USSR 11.37 2710 1 * 37 mm N-37,
2 * 23 mm NR-23
North American FJ-2 Fury 52 Nov USA 7.32 3740 4 * 20 mm Mk.12
Hawker Hunter F.1 53 May Britain 19.06 5950 4 * 30 mm Aden
North American F-86H Sabre 53 Sep USA 11.44 6070 4 * 20 mm M39
Yakovlev Yak-25 53 Late USSR 10.03 2400 2 * 37 mm N-37L
Republic F-84F Thunderstreak 54 Jan USA 5.82 2200 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
Dassault Mystere IVA 54 May France 11.90 5550 2 * 30 mm DEFA 541
Douglas F4D-1 Skyray 54 Jun USA 7.32 3740 4 * 20 mm Mk.12
Gloster Javelin FAW Mk.1 54 Jul Britain 19.06 5948 4 * 30 mm Aden
North American FJ-4 Fury 54 Oct USA 7.32 3740 4 * 20 mm Mk.12
Canadair CL-13B Sabre 6 54 Nov Canada 5.82 2198 6 * 12.7 mm Browning .50 M3
North American F-100C Super Sabre 55 Jan USA 11.44 6072 4 * 20 mm M39
McDonnell F3H-2 Demon 55 Apr USA 7.32 3740 4 * 20 mm Mk.12
North American F-86K Sabre 55 May USA 7.37 2600 4 * 20 mm M24
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-19 56 Mid USSR 18.45 5610 3 * 30 mm NR-30
Supermarine Scimitar 57 Jan Britain 9.53 5948 4 * 30 mm Aden
Vought F8U-1 Crusader 57 Mar USA 7.32 3740 4 * 20 mm Mk.12
Grumman F11F-1 Tiger 57 May USA 7.32 3740 4 * 20 mm Mk.12
Dassault Super Mystere B.2 57 May France 11.90 2000 2 * 30 mm DEFA 30M552
McDonnell F-101C Voodoo 57 Aug USA 11.44 6072 4 * 20 mm M39
Republic F-105B Thunderchief 58 May USA 11.11 5950 1 * 20 mm M61A1
Lockheed F-104A Starfighter 58 Dec USA 6.73 3600 1 * 20 mm M61
English Electric Lightning F Mk.1 59 Oct Britain 9.53 2974 2 * 30 mm Aden
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21F 59 Late USSR 12.30 3740 2 * 30 mm NR-30
Sukhoi Su-7B 60 Early USSR 12.30 3740 2 * 30 mm NR-30
Dassault Mirage IIIC 60 Oct France 11.90 2000 2 * 30 mm DEFA 30M552
Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighter 63 Oct USA 5.72 3036 2 * 20 mm M39
Dassault Mirage IIIE 64 Jan France 11.90 2000 2 * 30 mm DEFA 30M552
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PFM 64 Mid USSR 11.33 3100 1 * 23 mm GSh-23L
Dassault Mirage F.1 69 Mar France 11.90 2000 2 * 30 mm DEFA 30-553
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23M 70 Late USSR 11.33 3100 1 * 23 mm GSh-23L
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis 72 Feb USSR 11.33 3100 1 * 23 mm GSh-23L
Grumman F-14 Tomcat 72 Oct USA 11.11 5950 1 * 20 mm M61A1
Northrop F-5E Tiger II 73 Mid USA 5.72 3036 2 * 20 mm M39
McDonnell F-15A Eagle 74 Nov USA 11.11 5950 1 * 20 mm M61A1
Saab JA37 Viggen 77 Nov Sweden 8.10 4300 1 * 30 mm Oerlikon KCA
General Dynamics F-16A 78 Aug USA 11.11 5950 1 * 20 mm M61A1
Dassault Mirage 2000C 82 Nov France 16.50 2770 2 * 30 mm GIAT 30-554
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-31 82 Late USSR 26.67 7300 1 * 23 mm GSh-6-23
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 82 Late USSR 12.00 4750 1 * 30 mm GSh-301 (100)
McDonnell F/A-18A Hornet 83 Jan USA 11.11 5950 1 * 20 mm M61A1 (570)
Panavia Tornado F.3 85 Nov Britain 7.37 3870 1 * 27 mm BK 27
Saab JAS39 Gripen 93 May Sweden 7.37 3870 1 * 27 mm BK 27
Sukhoi Su-27 USSR 7.37 4750 1 * 30 mm GSh-301 (150)

Menace · Post by **Menace** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:45 pm

Thanks Willie. Judging from the datum you found, looks like the M3 was a post WW2 re-design. I'm pretty sure the M2 that it went through a major overhaul after the big one, with increased ROF and muzzle velocity. Well, I mean .50's in general.