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newest uproar on UBI-ZOO and SimHQ...

Post by Beowolff » Fri May 06, 2005 4:24 am

in case some of you fine irish haven't kept up with the latest news at UBI and SimHQ....

Oleg had a wreck reportedly, was slightly injured and suffered the loss of his car. he was released from the hospital, then was "agan" rear-ended in yet another accident. poor chap! but everything's supposedly okay and he'll be fine in a week or two, though he did again suffer the loss of a vehicle and with Russia's crappy auto insurance, it does not look as if he'll recieve full benefits upon either the first auto loss, nor the second, nor his hospital bill.

a sad thing to be sure... and something i wouldn't wish upon anyone. also scary, for him as a person and family man, and also for his friends, family----and many, many world wide fans. namely many of us---the users and enjoyers of his wonderful flight sims.

ah, but then some on UBI got the idea to 'aid' Oleg, and set up a relief fund for the man, payable by visa, mastercard or paypal.

a relief fund?

:shock:

despite the loss of two vehicles and possible out of pocket medical charges, a relief fund for a game designer?

is this a 'proper' sign of thankfulness, admiration, thougtfulness, kindness, friendship?

did Oleg 'ask' for such a relief fund?

will he even be okay with such a thing?

will he be insulted or feel 'under the gun' by having such 'thrust' upon him?

such are only a tiny 'few' of the questions flying fast, thick and furious on both UBI and SimHq and no doubt 'other' sites... and its all raising quite a ruckus as you might imagine... with pros and cons of both sides shouting to be heard.

on the one hand you have the true fan-bois that force god-dom upon the man (whether he wants it or not) and worship the air he breathes and feel it all quite proper to sell everything they have and donate the proceeds to him, then move into a cast-off whale skin tent and camp out their poor, remaining years in his back yard hoping to catch a glimpse of him.

then you have the 'well, sure, we ought to give him a hand' guys that feel bad about his losses and think giving a bit is okay.

then you have the guys that... feel sort of funny... donating money to someone they really don't know and a game designer/developer that quite possibly may have plenty of cashola in the bank and hasn't asked for a handout anyway.

then you have the guys that feel it 'totally' wrong, to up and give money to someone that's just had a run of bad luck...when there is so many other people that's had a lot worse...and NO ONE is helping them because they're not highly visible game designers with a near cult following.

and EVERYBODY and EVERY SIDE feels that ONLY 'they' are right upon the matter!

:oops:

and then there's the hapless, clueless sots like myself... who are completely confused by all of the above. i'll completely agree, IL2 and its follow ons are at the present time---the best WW2 flight sim in existance. and the games have given me untold hours of enjoyment and pleasure...and for that, I am very thankful to Oleg and company. yet on the other hand, i must confess that a couple of non-life threatening, auto accidents happening to Oleg does NOT exactly have me reaching for my wallet or credit card. sure, its tough breaks for what seems a real life, honest and decent man... but its not any WORSE breaks than i've recieved, nor you've recieved, nor any other man jack (or woman jack) amongs us. is it?

and we made it through...with nary a whimper (though possibly some forceful bitching and cursing) and survived intact to carry on with our lives.

now of course if the man and his family was on the edge of ruination or starvation...why of course, that goes without saying... help when and where ya can... but is he? i don't know. does anybody? and keep in mind, as best i can find out, he has not personally asked for help or even suggested it was needed.

i'm feeling confused over the whole entire issue, or even WHY it was brought up and suggested in the first place. to me, would seem proper that if one personally felt he ought to help, he'd just do it on his own and quitely...not BLATHER it about for all and everyone to know of.

but mayhaps i'm old fashioned and behind the times here. and very possibly a bit daft too. but daft or not, i do know that when my own father passed away, and our family had some dire bills to take care of, some kind and generous souls that wanted to help, simply slipped money into un-marked, un-signed envelopes and mailed them descreetly to my mother. and never said a word or bragged about it to anyone that i'm aware of. no flash, no big show...just silent kindness from the heart that was much appreciated. and WE WERE on the verge of starvation, and about to loose the farm that my dad had worked so hard to pay for all during his adult life.

yeah, i'm confused... not about wanting to help mind you. but about the 'look here at me' attitude that prevails throughout the whole thing.

perhaps some of you fine gents are as well.

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Post by Finbar1 » Fri May 06, 2005 9:32 am

Totally with you mate (as in confused) of course the worst thing about the car accidents were the fact that the promised ambulance took three months to arrive and even then it was a beta version ;)
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Post by L.F » Fri May 06, 2005 11:02 am

:FI:Finbar1 wrote:Totally with you mate (as in confused) of course the worst thing about the car accidents were the fact that the promised ambulance took three months to arrive and even then it was a beta version ;)
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I think its a bad idea giving any money to the "oleg-fund"

Think of the children in africa,ect for dågs sake! they need it a whole lot more :evil:
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Post by Kitty » Fri May 06, 2005 12:02 pm

I'm already anticipating the Oleg Crusade invading our lands. Let's hope that my entire Il2 history will get me off the hook once inquisition starts breaking down my doors :badgrin:

Yes no kidding, bad idea - oleg fund? Geesh. If you want to part with your money that badly find organisations that can actualy use it to improve conditions of those who truly have it bad. We should be ashamed that in this age and day we still have a third world situation!

Shame on us all.
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Post by :FI:Cider » Fri May 06, 2005 12:20 pm

well said, kitty.

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Post by :FI:TacticalS! » Fri May 06, 2005 1:08 pm

Thanks for the show of courage in raising this issue in the "privacy" of our little forums Beo (and man you write longer posts than I :shock: ). I was going to make a comment over at the boards, but felt it would only cause bad feelings.

First, we have to trust that all these things have happened to this person, which they probably have but again there is no "proof" or even anything officially posted on the UBI boards from Maddox Games. But I would concede it has all happened in the manner explained by the trusted sources who have posted.

Bottom line for me is if folks want to provide money, in addition to a get well thread(s) or card(s), I certainly will not object to their good intentions. However, while I certainly hope this individual recovers for the sake of his family, it is mostly out of selfishness I must confess as I would like the IL-2 series (and patch in particular) to continue. But that's my relationship with this person whom I will likely never meet, or talk to, or even game with - it is strictly professional in that I pay his company Maddox Games (actually his producer Ubisoft) for the opportunity to play their games.

Can you imagine if one of EA Games developers was in a similar situation - heck maybe they have been. I guess that's my point. Sending money is like giving money to someone on the street - good intentions but wrong form of charity. Same here I'm afraid.

There should be an official announcement and opportunity for fans of IL-2 to express our concern, since obviously the IL-2 community does indeed have a unique relationship with the Oleg.

And by the way, if a panhandler asks for money for something to eat, take him/her to a nearby restaurant for something healthy to snack on. Regrettably, most times they will refuse the offer as they only wanted some money to acquire some more alcohol or drugs.

Tact - "wishing Oleg a speedy recovery" - S!
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Post by Beowolff » Fri May 06, 2005 1:41 pm

what! i'm posting longer posts than ----yours! tact! i simply must cut back!

:D

yes, i am known for my ah, long-windy-ness... and also i wasn't too leery of posting about a difficult incident here, because i know i'm among friends that will weigh the issue carefully and make up their own minds about what to do, and secondly won't attack me personally for merely bringing it to their attention. this fine group has a good mixture of younger and older hands in it, but all are friendly and with good measures of common sense and maturity to them.

i did NOT post on other forums about it, simply because they do NOT have much of the above...

salute!

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Hmmm..

Post by :FI:Fenian » Fri May 06, 2005 6:58 pm

a collection?

Do you guys want my bank account number?

:lol:


Hmmm... thought not....

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I'll give to the Oleg relief fund...

Post by :FI:Snaphoo » Fri May 06, 2005 9:59 pm

In two weeks...

Be sure.

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Post by :FI:TacticalS! » Sat May 07, 2005 1:47 am

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Good points, all!

Post by :FI:Heloego » Sat May 07, 2005 3:19 am

As we well know, the (ahem) good folks that live for the Ubi forums are of a somewhat different mindset than we. :)

While I never make light af anyone's bad fortune, apparently Oleg is by all accounts:

1. Alive

2. Healthy

3. Still financially sound

4. Able to continue with his life's work.

Thus, while he hasn't exactly been a major drain on my cash flow (yet) I have shelled out well over $150.00 US for his product to date and expect to continue supporting his labors for as long as I can. This includes various necessary upgrades I've already put off for far too long.

Ok, so he got a couple of scrapes and is out a couple of cars.

Big deal. :roll:

So who is in charge of this "collection", and if Oleg politely declines the offer will all contributors be cheerfully refunded?

Or will the "collector" abscond with the cash, move to a new address under a new alias, then register with Ubi under a new name and start another scam?

BTW, has all this hoorah re Oleg been verified?

I'd feel more comfortable ordering Viagra or Cialis from the crap e-mails I keep getting! :roll:
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