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4.01m
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:39 pm
by MikeVictor
Well, I flew on HL last night using 4.01m for the first time.
I was in a mustang, flew around for some time looking for a fight. Found one with a 109. Pulled in a turn and immediately went into a spin, it recovered easier than when I was using 4.00m.
So I recovered, pulled a bit and went into another spin, I began to see the tracers flying by and heard them hitting my ship as I tried just to fly the D! thing. I recovered again and again went into a spin.....
Ended up crashing into the ground.
I didn't spin like that in 3.04m. I really don't think I was exceeding the angle of attack for any given speed when it snaped into a spin.
I also noticed that the torque required a lot of rudder trim input. I tried to fly a 109 in another HL game, and couldn't get it to fly wings level no matter how much rudder or aileron trim I put in.
Is anyone else having handling issues with 4.01m? I was fit to be tied last night when after searching and searching only to loose control of the ship every time I attempted to manuever.
Mike "Spin" Victor
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:57 pm
by :FI:Igor
MV,
Yep, i have issues with 4.01, 4.00, 3.04...they don't make me fly good! Its da rest of the world not me. I,m here fer da beer.
Igor
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:04 am
by L.F
109`s and 190`s dont have rudder or aileron trim.
I actually like
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:52 am
by :FI:Fenian
the new patch flight model.....
Feels a bit more 'real' - if it ever could be....
Makes you think twice before yanking on yer stick
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:12 pm
by Sapper-FIN
So what does that new flight model exactly mean? it´s more difficult to fly?
And did they fix the bug that 109 and 190 fans have always whined about... mg151 beeing underpowered?
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:04 am
by :FI:WillieOFS
THe MG 151 are no longer shooting marshmellows and fluffy soft thingies...
I peeled the wing off a P-38 very nicely in QMB with a very short burst from a default armed 190-A8 AFTER the WEAPON OUT OF AMMO warning was displayed. ( from my crappy shooting at another P-38
)
I also took out 3 Il-2's and a LaGG-3 in ONE mission during the 4.O interim.
With a 44 DORA!!!!!!
The flight model is different from 3.04.
Spinmeister
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:39 am
by MikeVictor
Is the flight model realistic, have others found their planes to be easier to spin with 4.01m over 3.04m?
Hmmm 109's and 190's don't have rudder trim...any other way to counter the torgue? Perhaps there is a realizm configuration setting that could be changed so one doesn't have to hold right rudder most of the time.
How do frequent 190 or 109 jockee's handle the tendency to drop a wing?
Guess I have to go real easy on the pitch inputs to keep from spinning.
Mike "Spinmeister" Victor
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:38 pm
by :FI:WillieOFS
As for the 109 and 190's, aileron will counter the torque that is modeled into the FM. With the Dora, the rolling tendency disappears over 350kmh. Have yet to fly my beloved 109's with the new patch.
I FINALLY got my FPS up and my game to stop crashing by adding the line to config.ini and setting my clouds at MEDIUM!!!!! FFS. Had NO probs with 'em in 4.0..
Also noticed that when attacking IL-2's last night, ( in a thunderstorm of HUGE proportions and ridiculously modeled turbulence) that my MG's were not doing the same job they were in 4.0.. Lots of fire and smoke and pretty lights from multiple hard hits and the IL2 soldiered on. 3 passes on the same plane hitting it from low six.
Their rear gunners are better than ever it seems as well. I was attacking at over 600kmh and those punks drilled me 3 times in a row as I went climbing through the 3 plane formation at over 600kmh!!
What a guy!!
Two engine kills and a PK..
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:46 pm
by :FI:RULES
A little tip for all and everyone....tune your joystick sensetivity down to prevent stalls and flatspins....
http://www.airwarfare.com/tech/sticks.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is a good place to get it all...
Need to send my joystick to sensitivity counciling
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:02 pm
by MikeVictor
Thanks for the joystick sensitivity config link. Let's see how that helps.
Mike
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:14 am
by :FI:WillieOFS
I detuned mine. It was overly sensitive and now I can curse it with impunity.
Mine tops out at 88% rather than 100% , this REALLY helps when flying those twitchy 190's.
Now I have to use the "trim on slider" cheat for my 109..
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:29 am
by Finbar1
"Trim on a slider" you know I always said RBJ was just ahead of his time.
Willie's Config.ini
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:56 am
by MikeVictor
Hmmm, I'd like to see your Config.ini settings Willie, at least the ones you think have optimized your FPS. Mine isn't that great at the moment.
Have a nice day (Monday, gezzz),
Mike
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:26 am
by :FI:WillieOFS
My config.ini for your viewing pleasure...
[il2]
title=Il2-Sturmovik Forgotten Battles
hotkeys=HotKey game
[window]
width=1024
height=768
ColourBits=32
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
ChangeScreenRes=1
FullScreen=1
DrawIfNotFocused=0
EnableResize=0
EnableClose=1
SaveAspect=1
Use3Renders=0
[GLPROVIDER]
GL=Opengl32.dll
[GLPROVIDERS]
Open GL=Opengl32.dll
DirectX=dx8wrap.dll
[NET]
speed=5000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=31
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=1
serverName=
serverDescription=
remoteHost=68.235.6.75
localHost=
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0
[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=10.0
nearMaxLagTime=2.0
cheaterWarningDelay=5.0
cheaterWarningNum=-1
[chat]
region=(dx=0.6925,dy=0.071666665,x=0.0,y=0.0)
adr0=ALL
[game]
Arcade=0
HighGore=1
mapPadX=0.67578125
mapPadY=-0.041666668
viewSet=34
Intro=0
NoSubTitles=0
NoChatter=0
NoHudLog=0
NoLensFlare=0
iconTypes=1
eventlog=eventlog.lst
eventlogkeep=0
Clouds=0
[HotKey game]
PrintScreen=ScreenShot
P=pause
Pause=pause
[HotKey gui]
Escape=activate
[HookViewFly Config]
timeFirstStep=2.0
deltaZ=10.0
[HookView]
MouseLeft=Len
[HookView Config]
AzimutSpeed=0.1
TangageSpeed=0.1
LenSpeed=1.0
MinLen=1.0
DefaultLen=20.0
MaxLen=3000.0
Speed=6
[HotKey builder]
MouseLeft=objectMove
MouseRight=popupmenu
Enter=freeView
Shift MouseLeft=worldZoom
Alt MouseLeft=select+
Alt MouseRight=select-
Alt Ctrl=unselect
PageDown=change+
PageUp=change-
End=change++
Home=change--
Ctrl MouseLeft=insert+
Insert=insert+
NumPad-0=insert+
F=fill
Ctrl MouseRight=delete+
NumPad.=delete+
Delete=delete+
Backspace=cursor
Tab=cursor
F10=land
F11=onLand
NumPad-=normalLand
NumPad+=toLand
NumPad-5=resetAngles
NumPad-8=resetTangage90
NumPad-7=stepAzimut-5
NumPad-4=stepAzimut-15
NumPad-1=stepAzimut-30
NumPad-9=stepAzimut5
NumPad-6=stepAzimut15
NumPad-3=stepAzimut30
[MouseXYZ]
F1=SpeedSlow
F2=SpeedNormal
F3=SpeedFast
MouseRight=XYmove
F4 MouseRight=Zmove
MouseMiddle=Amove
F5 MouseRight=Amove
F6 MouseRight=Tmove
F7 MouseRight=Kmove
[MouseXYZ Config]
RealTime=1
[HotKey Console]
Shift Tab=Activate
[Console]
HISTORY=1024
HISTORYCMD=1024
LOAD=console.cmd
SAVE=console.cmd
LOG=0
LOGTIME=0
LOGFILE=log.lst
LOGKEEP=0
[sound]
SoundUse=1
SoundEngine=1
Speakers=2
Placement=0
SoundFlags.reversestereo=0
RadioFlags.Enabled=1
RadioEngine=2
MusicVolume=8
ObjectVolume=14
MusState.takeoff=1
MusState.inflight=1
MusState.crash=1
MusFlags.play=0
MasterVolume=14
Attenuation=7
SoundMode=2
SamplingRate=1
NumChannels=2
SoundExt.occlusions=0
SoundFlags.hardware=1
SoundFlags.streams=1
SoundFlags.duplex=1
SoundExt.acoustics=0
SoundExt.volumefx=0
SoundFlags.voicemgr=0
SoundFlags.static=1
VoiceVolume=12
Channels=2
SoundExt.extrender=0
SoundFlags.bugscorrect=0
SoundSetupId=8
ActivationLevel=0.02
Preemphasis=0.85
RadioLatency=0.5
AGC=1
PTTMode=1
SoundFlags.UseRadioChatter=0
SoundFlags.AutoActivation=0
RadioFlags.PTTMode=0
RadioFlags.PlayClicks=0
ActLevel=0
MicLevel=0
SoundFlags.forceEAX1=0
[rts]
;ProcessAffinityMask=1
mouseUse=2
joyUse=1
trackIRUse=1
DisableIME=0
locale=
[rts_mouse]
SensitivityX=1.0
SensitivityY=1.0
Invert=0
SensitivityZ=1.0
[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Y=0 6 13 20 29 40 51 63 73 77 90 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=5 6 10 15 22 26 33 43 50 71 98 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
[Render_DirectX]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=2
TexCompress=0
TexFlags.UseDither=1
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=1
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=0
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=0
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=0
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=0
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=0
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=0
HardwareShaders=0
Shadows=2
Specular=2
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
VisibilityDistance=3
Sky=2
Forest=2
LandShading=3
LandDetails=2
LandGeom=2
TexLarge=1
TexLandQual=3
TexLandLarge=1
VideoSetupId=4
ForceShaders1x=0
PolygonOffsetFactor=-0.15
PolygonOffsetUnits=-3.0
[Render_OpenGL]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=3
TexCompress=2
TexFlags.UseDither=0
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=0
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=1
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=0
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=1
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=0
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=1
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=0
HardwareShaders=1
Shadows=2
Specular=2
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
VisibilityDistance=3
Sky=1
Forest=2
LandShading=3
LandDetails=2
LandGeom=2
TexLarge=1
TexLandQual=3
TexLandLarge=1
VideoSetupId=17
Water=0
Effects=1
ForceShaders1x=0
PolygonOffsetFactor=-0.0625
PolygonOffsetUnits=-1.0
MY JS setting have defaulted it seems....... GAH!!
I'm NOT snapping out in the FW's like I used too. Maybe I've learned to be kinder and gentler....
Config.ini....by Willie
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:53 am
by MikeVictor
Merci Mon Ami,
The config.ini is interesting but I honestly would rather watch you shuv pencils up your nose...
Mike